Saturday, May 29, 2021

Talk with Pedro Ortiz Yakera Oraita


 Apart from the Youtube Subtitles I will publish the transcription here. Stay tuned and don´t miss this talk with 82 year old Pedro Ortiz Yakera Oraita (Precious Stone). He goes to describe his multiple encounters with the Master Yeshua (our Universal Body Mind), his cosmic family, etc. We both shared our witnessed epiphanies.

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Transcription:

Welcome back to Space ENArmonía. And today we have with us a very special guest: Doctor and teacher Pedro Ortiz. How are you?

Good morning here and good night to you Fernando. I am in California and you are in Spain. It is a pleasure to be with you and your program. I really like the title Enarmonía because Armonía means peace. If there is no armonía there is no peace. It is a pleasure to be with you and share with your listeners as well.

Fernando: Well, it is a real pleasure to have you as well. And as I was saying, I would like to talk about the inner teacher and the search. And for people who do not know him, Master Pedro Ortiz has a long journey, he was a pastor for many years, he left Cuba threatened with death, they had sentenced him to death penalty, right?

Pedro: This was in the year 62, on September 4, 1962

Fernando: And you have said many times that you were guided by the Holy One, who was the one who organized your departure in some way, since you did not have to come out alive.

Pedro: Impossible to leave because those who had to let me out were those who were looking for me to kill me and when they interviewed me they did not know me.

F: Yes, they must have touch some threads through the subconscious. Well then, you went to the United States and founded some community, because you were a Baptist pastor, isn´t it?

P: Yes, in 1969 I was ordained as a pastor in the Baptist organization, then I was sent as a missionary where I was ordained a minister, in Elisabeth New Jersey. And from there I was director of 7 states. In the states of New England. In all those years I already finished my doctorate in Theology, Psychology and Counseling, but I was not satisfied. I had raised 22 churches in New England, in the states, but I wanted to go to the world, to reach the world and that is why I was appointed apostle of the ministerial association in New York. And I started in Latin America and raised 45 congregations and there was a lot of envy and I ended up, that I had to flee because they even sent someone to kill me in Mexico. From there I arrived in California in 88 and I started the Hebrew Roots in and I studied the rabbinate and became a rabbi. And from there I went to proclaim the Hebrew roots in the world and we raised 300 congregations from India, China, Singapore, Africa, Europe, all of Latin America. We were in Europe, it was in Germany and England where we projected ourselves the most. And then after the experience that I am going to tell you later, it was where I gave up everything and started in the vision that you and I have. At last I was able to find my peace and find myself and find a mission, which is what I have been doing for 10 years.

F: And the first encounter that changed you was a visual encounter or an intuition, an internal communication with the Master?
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P: No. First I was for about five years, Fernando. They took me periodically at night when I went to bed and fell asleep. They took me to a garden like paradise and I remember that it was like a bench under such a beautiful tree and it was like a transparent marble bench and I call it an Epiphany of the Master. I saw a projection of Him because I knew He was the Master. But it was like a light that sat next to me and began to instruct me and this lasted for about five years. But there was a problem: I interpreted what He told me to my mindset down here. He does not speak words, I felt, you know, inside, you feel it, then I interpreted everything when He spoke to me about the Ayn Sof, and the En Sof, of what is Oraita (Light of The All), the Yakera (Precious Stone), because I interpreted all in the light of theology, in the light of traditional Hebrew thinking. And I progressed a lot in my knowledge but not in the understanding of the Light. And it was not until in one of my travels to a Kehilat as we called it in Hebrew, in Panama. I arrived at 6 am, I was picked up at the airport, we had breakfast, I bathed and went to bed at 10 am and I asked to be waked up. I called the taxi driver to come at 2:00 p.m., since I was going to invite him for lunch. I woke up at 4 in the afternoon in bed and asked why they had not woken me up. And they said: no, you weren't there, you disappeared the taxi driver came. How? I was there, I woke up in bed. No, you weren't there, you disappeared. Six hours. But I didn't remember anything. Then, after three days I took a plane to Colombia and that was something extraordinary because when I arrived in Colombia I remembered everything I saw. I could not bear it. I went mad. There I could see all the error, I had to leave 300 congregations I had in the world. I had to tell them they were wrong. Do you know what that is, Fernando? 

F: I imagine.

P: And there are 300 rabbis or more because in each congregation there were several. I had to give up the economy since wherever I went I was sent to the best hotels and what else? But that was not the biggest problem. It was: how can I now say this. It´s chaos. So in the end I started crying and crying and I spent three months and I isolated myself for three months in a town called Guaduas in Colombia. And there I cried and was disoriented, I did not know what to do until I returned to California. And I locked myself in my room for almost a year.

    Then in order to assimilate, everyone was alarmed saying the rabbi went crazy, he is crazy. I was not crazy, I just could not reconcile all that. All my life I had believed one thing and now it was not. Fernando, that's very hard. Well, I assimilated it little by little, little by little, but I stayed calm. I gave up all the congregations. I was in debt. 135 thousand dollars. I was going to lose everything but someone helped me, showed me what the system was like and I didn't have to pay anything. There I learned the lie of the system, of the banking system and all that was like a school for me.

   Then in 2010, 2010 Fernando, and those who hear us, I visited a place called San Fernando here in California, and a monk dressed in some orange garment
saw me and said: "I know you". But how? (Pedro said) "Yes, we are fellows up there and I am here but I do not believe in this. I am here fulfilling a mission. And you came to fulfill a mission", he tells me. And I said: how is this? He told me: "look, we are in January and in December is your birthday, you will get very ill but do not worry, that you will go well. What you have to do is this: when there is a person who has died and does not have to buy the coffin or the box, you give it to him", that's what he told me. And indeed I did it in Venezuela. It was fixed. I contacted a friend to do me that favor and there was a person who did not have to pay for the burial and he was paid. Then it happened. That was in January. The whole year passed and December arrived, December 4, which is my birthday, you know Fernando, for the gifts. I was in Australia at that time with my wife because she went to see my son who lived there and the wife had given birth and my chest began to hurt. We returned to California and I fell into bed until May 22. They took me seriously to the hospital with a massive heart attack. I had 5 veins and arteries covered, back and forth, they had to remove the heart and it almost totally paralyzed the liver, lungs, the kidneys, and they told my wife that I was going to die, that I had no hope. But I was already supposedly dead. Someone says you have to go through a tunnel when you die. No, that was instantaneous. I saw myself in a very different world that I cannot describe to you. It is the world of light, the original world, where there is no time, where there is no space. You are everywhere, you know everything, there is no language. You do not have to think because it is like a knowing, a knowing. Then in that wonder where you lived in a sensation I consider to be Love but so strong, so sublime. There was something that was like a projection because there are no beings there. But they were projected towards me so that I could understand. Right Fernando? Ok and my dad was proyected, with my mom and my sister. Supposedly they didn't tell me. But I understood they were my dad my mom and my sister, —not the physical ones, here I have ten siblings—the cosmic family. It represented the cosmic family, from where I came. Then they told me with pain with lots of pain, it is like a need, a nostalgia that I need you, we have missed you so much. But they told me: "look, there is a job that nobody wants to do, you have to go back and do it".

    At that time I was everywhere. I knew it all, I compressed myself like a grain of rice and went down at breakneck speed and felt when I came in this way from the left side of the heart. But that was a horrible pain Fernando, a horrible pain. And I woke up. When I woke up I was full of tubes, I was tied to the bed. There was a rush of doctors and nurses because I wasn't expecting they were already preparing the funeral. But I don't understand why three days. My wife said that I was three days in a deep coma, that they were expecting deaths at exactly three days. I woke up. When I finally woke up they took out those tubes, they untied me and I didn't want them to talk to me at all. This smelled horrible. This for me was something, I had lost the memory of the body, I did not know that the body had memory, I had lost my memory. I did not even know how to move and they had to do everything and I had to go through a rehabilitation period for about six months to be able to walk again, to be able to do things by myself. So now what do I do?
 

Then I arrived one afternoon and told my cosmic family: I can't do this, to do it, I need health, I need economy and I need facilitators or logistics and receive. No problems you are going to get started. And there I started the work that we are doing Fernando. There I met the true Messiah, the Universal Messiah. Very different from the physical Roman messiah shown to us. That messiah who spoke beside me, I discovered Him within me, I discovered Him in my brother, I discovered Him in the Universe and everywhere.

F: Let's say you realized He had become an Ibur, a kind of Master that is our Head also, our Spiritual Head.

P: Exactly and our Mind. When the Scripture says: you have the Messianic Mind, He is the Mind. That's why, as I said in today's program, the Capsules, if you cut off the head of a reptile, the snake keeps turning, right? It continues moving for hours until it dies and this is what has happened to this world that has no head. And it is moving the same as always. But the head is the Messiah, His Thinking, the true Consciousness that we are, that we exist. So this world is divided. That is why I really like the word armonía, because this world is like fractals, you know, it´s in pieces and we have to gather those pieces and armonize them and make our own world, our own reality because they say that we have to create. No. Everything is already created but we have to assemble. We have to know how to put together, we have to know how to cleanse ourselves of all the reptilian concepts that they put in our soul, such as desire, envy, restlessness, that if you do not have this you have a bad temper, aggression, lack of understanding, judging others. See how social networks are so contaminated by the aggressiveness of the people, by judgment. You can see in your same place and here in America the violence so great, the injustice. However we have peace because we have collected our being and we have given ourselves. We have connected with our true version. I remember back in the year 97 I had a kind of dream vision where a humanoid of Light appeared to me through the window of a car. I was in a kind of dream vision, and inside He communicated to me that I was diverting, that I was not behaving as I should be behaving. I was only 15 years old. And that made me feel a lot of remorse. He told me: you are mature enough to behave like this. And that made me reflect a lot and many times when you talk about the Master and everything that He communicated to you inside reminds me of that vision. But I never saw him again, at least like this. I suspect He was a guide.

P: That is what I call Epiphanies my son. He presents himself to you in any form. But it is his Voice. He is the Master because when you are a chosen one and I know that you are, I have told all my listeners to listen to you, because you have a version that I do not have. That is why this is armonía Fernando. For example, in an orchestra this is the percussion, there is the trombone, there is the bass, there is the trumpet. Then when all that orchestra begins to work in armonía, you can enjoy the music. So what you have I don't have and what I have you don't have. And there are other teachers that also exist. But unfortunately many teachers are trying to make their own group, their own place and many are not understanding that this is a body, it is the body of the Messiah that we have to get together and use the Mind of the Messiah. The messianic expression is multifaceted. It is what I call Yakerá. For example, when you look at where you came from, from the pain, from your mother's pain to come out as you have live through the pain of the fight. That has made you a pearl because the pearl comes out of pain, right? When a grain of sand falls on the oyster it hurts and hurts. Then it secretes the substance to cover the pain. And the pearl comes out. Then how many desires and you had as a human being. It had to be torn away as that Being told you. It was torn from you and purified you and you have a pure soul. It refined you. And that made a Yakerá, which is a Ha Tzur, a Precious Stone. To get that pure Light that you have out of you there was pressure: family pressure, pressure from friends. Here it is called pier pressure in English, of friendships that pressure us, of religion, morality, culture, politics, and all that puts pressure on us. But if we resist that pressure, we come out like a Yakera, a precious stone, becoming the new peace, the New Jerusalem, the New Armonía.

P: Yes, it is what was said: you will be living stones of a living temple as the Apostle Paul used to say.

F: Yes, but it is not a rustic stone, it is a processed stone. And Fernando, there is something, I don´t know if you noticed, that I spoke in the Capsules that we are the ones who expose evil because Ha Satan, when he walked through the stones of fire evil was found in him. The evil was hidden, but when there is a refined Light, Evil comes out, it is exposed. That's why they don't want us. Do you think they love you, Fernando: Oh you are a teacher and that everyone loves you? Those of Light love you. Others want to see you buried.

P: Yes, I have noticed for a long time that my presence causes rejection in people, the majority, both people who are not involved in spirituality and people who are within spirituality. And many times I cause rejection in them. Just from seeing me, without saying anything. And this has made me wonder what kind of essence is colliding. When that happens it means the essences are different, they come from another origin, there are other intentions.

P: It is because you make them guilty Fernando. That is the problem because they do not resist the Light, the Light disintegrates them. They are nothing. Because they do not have Love. The Scripture says: he who does not have Love is nothing. Then they are nothing. They are holography. Then your Light disintegrates it, that's why they go to one side. They reject you, they don't love you. However, when you are with a Being of Light, it does not want to let go, you do not want to let go because there is something that is very close between us, that unites us and that makes us be the same. We do not necessarily think the same, because we don't think the same. You have your way of being, your way of expressing yourself, but it is your essence that fills me with energy, that fills me with Light. But for example I opened a class recently and twelve people came, twelve to my class. Ten were dark. They did not resist. We knew it but we left them. 10 dark and only 2 were Beings of Light and they remained. Then it means, I don't know if you remember about the 50-50 righteous. That if 50 righteous come, 50 come to counteract them. That is why this is the fight.

F: This also makes me think of the Adams when they merged with the reptilian genetics in the Garden of Eden. Let's say that they became, as it were, the illegitimate head of humanity, at least that is the intuition that I have, that some began to get hooked on humanity and possibly are the ones ruling. The fallen Adams and also other alien species, which I guess are the beings of the Fifth Day, mentioned in Genesis 1. And one thing I would like to ask you: those Adamic beings, even if they are mixed with that reptilian genetics and want to take possession of humanity, could they have some kind of redemption? Could they be purified, could they be delivered.

P: Look, what happened there with the original Adams, the Adapas, as they have called all this. They were, if we are going to say it here, some scientists of light who came to help and were practically seduced, inflated and replaced by a soul with desires, for wanting to be something else, to experience. Well, you know, everything that happened. I am a counselor. I joined the American Counselor Society on July 1st 1972 and I have advised many people and I continue to advise many people in the office and I have made a conclusion for myself Fernando. It is mine, not necessarily this has to be true but I believe that everyone has the right to rectify.,If you disconnected then you can reconnect again, right? The only thing you have to cleanse yourself, because you cannot reconnect full of hatred, resentment and everything. If you clean yourself of these things it is easier. But look, there is a beginning and this I have been able to see in the process of all the years that I have been advising as a psychologist and theologian that psychology and theology do not work. But there is something called the point of no return, the point at which you cannot return. For example, if you go on a plane and you are by the sea, there is nowhere to land, you reach a point where you do not have enough fuel to return and you have to move on. So I do not mean that they have no salvation, that they cannot but to return they have to look for a more difficult process, very difficult. I would have to find another place, another place to go, and what else, in process.

F: Maybe another planet with other genetics prepared for them. You understand me, go through a different process. But I am referring to the Adams. Now when we are referring to these machines that are nothing but programming machines, these beings are programmed organic portals, they are called. Well, they can never return because they have never been.

F: Even that genetics already existed before the Adams when the earth was disorganized. All that was already there and not even the Elohim could control that. They said that they had to put an Adam to be their guardian. But Adam was not their guardian either. I mean, not even the First Adam could.

P: Sure, and then they stole those genetics. And that's what they used, but there is always an opportunity for an Adam, but not everything is going to be so easy. That's why it´s better doing things right now than later. Because if you look at social networks, you see how today's youth are behaving in social networks. They have fallen very low. They have been dehumanized, lost their head. Actually they have been headed by a headless body and they're doing things with the music, Fernando, and that's horrible: rap, reggaeton, all this and now they are talking to me about something that came up here called perreo. I don't even know what that is, but they say it's horrible. I have not heard it nor intend to hear it, but how far humanity goes. Could there be a return? I believe that you and I have a very difficult task. But we have talked and what we are talking about we think that now it is not having an effect but when the time comes they will look for what we have talked about. That's why I have files, I have around 1500 videos, everything is filed in the cloud, in memories. Because that is going to be necessary. The same for you Fernando, keep every file memories. That is salvation, what we are talking about is salvation for humanity. That is Yahshua. Do you know what Yeshua means? Salvation That's life. Life is salvation. That is why He says that He never spoke anything. We think that the Master spoke. He said nothing. He said: my words are spirit and are Life. He spoke Life. He spoke to live.

F: Even as I have been teaching many times here on this channel one of the things that were unveiled internally was that the Messiah is the unfolding of the Divine Verb, the true YHWH, which is like a Breathing, an infusion of Life that is expresses through us in a completely silent way, full of love, without words without writing, no strange languages. Actually, this is what it means in Hebrew: Salvation through the Divine Verb. But it seems that nobody is understanding it, nor will they surely have it within religion. And that is a pity because many people follow spiritual teachings from the East and the West. And after being since 97 investigating in depth I realized that most spiritualities are expressing the ideas of the fallen Adama that are fused with that reptilian genetics. In teachings of all cultures they are called Nagas, Serpents. They are always transmitting Wisdom and I guess they are these energies, these intelligences that operate on the unconscious level, transmitting that wisdom and from there arise teachings such as Brahmanism, from Hinduism many, the strictest religions. And this is the hijacking that I think is taking place. And many times people do not distinguish between a spirituality connected to the true Universal Messiah and a spirituality derived from there. So one of the questions would be: how can people distinguish between one and the other? Because sometimes they look so much alike. All religions have morality, a person can perform moral acts, it can be very good to have charity, have compassion and still follow the teachings of a fallen intelligence that is not connected to the Primordial Source. So that would be the question of how the difference can be transmitted. How to distinguish them.

P: That is where, as they say in my land, the mule knocked down Jenaro. Look, people believe that spirituality means speaking very sweetly saying very beautiful words. It's what you said: the wisdom of fallen Adam. And that's not it. And that's where they have had people in a Samsara. You know what Samsara is, right? The Gilgul. In Hebrew it means to turn and turn and turn. Because the greatest falsification is what has a lot of truth, but if it has a bit of a lie, not true. That is why you go to those religions and there they have many truths but they are mixed with lies. So that's where the lethal is. This morning I received a note from a listener in Guatemala that had to do with this and it made me reflect and I congratulated him on what he said. He tells me: I believe that I am a piece of myself, he told me, I am a piece of myself. And that when they say that when the dust turns to the ground and the spirit returns to God who gave it. No, I have to get back to myself. And that told me wow. This boy is receiving the Light because the issue is not to return to philosophies. It is to return to your original version, of the unfallen Original Adam. The day you return to the Original Adam, that day you have Salvation. That is Salvation. What is the life of Yahshua ha Mashiach, the true Master, the true Messiah: it is the Life that has already been lived. It is the model that has already been lived, it was certified at the beginning of the world and then they want to give us another model of Life so that we can continue in Samsara, turning and turning. This is how humanity is, turning around and in all these years that I have led and people despair Fernando because this is a process. Life has a process. Do you know how the fried egg was invented?

F: No.

P: That's a saying of mine. But watch. I said that the fried egg was invented because someone wanted a chicken and they wanted it fast. And he threw it into the pan, added butter and raised the heat so that the chick came out, and what came out was a fried egg. So what happens, people want all instantaneous Fernando. And life has its process, it is a slow process. Everything that has life you have to sow it, has to grow, not like the son, my son, when he was in kindergarten, they gave him a little plant to sow and every day he uprooted it to see if it grew roots. What happened is that the little plant died. So people want the little plant to grow in one day, to emerge in one day because in this life they get instant milk, all instant. You do not have to do anything, you do not have to make anything, you don´t need woven clothes like before. They need a meal, here they call it TV Diner, television food, heat and ready: microwave, blender, washing machine...They gave us all this stuff. But that doesn't work. There is nothing like washing well. Wait for Life. People despair. So they go and many people say: no, teacher, you go very slowly, I go with this. Look, they gave me this method from India and you know what it does, that it slows it down. There are people who ask me about techniques. For example, I practiced Yoga, not with mantras but Physical Yoga.And it´s maybe good as gymnastics. In fact Western gymnastics derive from there but as a technique to evolve spiritually does not work. I know most of the techniques of meditation. I have practiced a lot. I did Vipassana meditation many years ago and well, they can be useful to calm down but not to express true Life. Because that is already more of a process of birth. What I expressed many times is that the seed of Conscience has to be sown, it has to become an embryo and this embryo has to be born, go the spiritual birth pains, as we were told. And today we are seeing that there are people who do not even have the Seed and this is something that leaves me as in a compromised situation, because how to approach a person who does not have a real seed (of Messiah Conscience). How to sow it? The only thing is to be sincere, it is to be ourselves and by the Word or by our actions that seed is sown alone, we do not have to force more. Simply setting an example, saying we are not of the world, we have come here to express our Light and this is already sowing the seed of Life.

P: You know Fernando, I confess that I have never been able to meditate, because when I start to meditate I am leaving. I know automatically, I have traveled I can say the entire Universe. I have traveled it. And I have seen, I have had experience, I have lived many lives, many ways. And one gets to see so many things that I no longer want to see. Because what you see in the Universe and what you are looking at in meditation can entertain you from concentrating in what you have to do. Because as Mexicans say, people want to see monkeys and gorillas and they are entertained by seeing shrews and seeing this. And they do not care about internal cleaning because of the clarity of Light, about the connection with yourself of knowing who you are, what you are doing here, which is your mission. So they get hallucinating drinks, do rituals. I don't need that, I don't judge whoever does it, but I've never needed that. So it is better to go inside yourself to examine yourself. I remember the first time I entered inside myself, I was scared because I thought that within me it was just within, but is the entire Universe. It is a Universe. It is something Infinite.

F: That experience, what you tell me, is something that I began to be aware of in 2015. I had a series of experiences that made me see that. For example, I was contemplating in silence and completely detached from the world because I reached very deep states of meditation. And I saw this could be dangerous because I began to feel that I had nothing here. I began to have the desire to leave, not wanting to be here anymore, and I began to feel a kind of a strong detachment, and I realized this was not really what was demanded because I was aware that we have to work and that there is much to purify, soI discovered that true meditation is not so much to be completely detached but to contemplate and discern the truth of the lie 'to
observe the Life in us. And yes, we breathe without making effort, the heart beats without making effort, we can connect with silence but always aware it is that we have a mission as part of a collective body.

P: Sorry, because that leads you to a void Fernando and you did not come to a void. You had a purpose.

F: Yes, that is what is called "mystical suicide", it is what the Buddhists call Nirvana, the Brahmans also. What is the point of living a life if we do not incorporate our experience into a personal soul that is also collective because the true Messiah is a Personality.

P:It is a Collective Soul yes

F: Because today new age spiritualities say: no, the Truth is transpersonal. How transpersonal? Life is completely deprived of value if we say that it is transpersonal. The other day a person commenting a famous book (The Course On Miracles) said the key of evolution is Love and Foregiveness but then she said our essence is impersonal, which is a contradiction because Love and Foregiveness are totally personal concepts. It is meaningless.

P: That´s where the contradiction is. But watch Fernando. There is something. When we are speaking of visions...this is a dangerous world where I had to navigate; the world of visions, revelations is a very dangerous world, as the world of reading. Here I have a huge library. This is the office of my house. I have an office in Fountain Valley, half an hour from here. It is where I receive people and here I make the programes. But it is very different when I read all those books. People come and say: You have read all those books? I say "yes". Then you know a lot. And I say: no. In books all is so mixed up. So it is dangerous to enter spirituality that way because it is like little turtles that go to the sea from the eggs and predators are waiting for them in the sea. Only 3% get saved. But speaking about visions, there is a type of difficult vision I had. In english it´s called flash, glimpses. It is a glimpse which has no space and all is included. The problem is to remember all you can see in the glimpse. That´s where the science is, in being able to catch all you saw in that glimpse. Then you don´t have to go to your mind but to your Conscience, your Tifereth, Armonía, the armonious whole we have. This is why I tell people not to think with the mind but with their solar plexus. There we understand the rays of light. Because all books carry us to the mind. I have written several books, but Fernando, Reality can´t be put into a book.

F: We can´t tell experiences, at most.

P: Yeah but words say nothing. This is why when I was in that experience where I went to the real world to my family, I began to write poetry so I could find relief, since poetry is a different way to express oneself. In armonía, rhyme... And that helped a lot. Getting out so much knowledge is suffocating Fernando.

F: Yeah, and some of us have the trauma of expression. We have a lot but until we find a way to express it, we feel a pain knot here and this makes us sick.

P: Exactly. Precisely I say this is disease is an excess of Light you keep and do not proyect. The body does not resist the Light and gives up, as with Daniel. Do you recall? There is a case in the light thread of Scripture which says Daniel was 3 months sick when he had the epiphany, that revelation, since Light is too strong, it is like receiving 500 volts when here you have 120 volts. You´ll burst. Filaments burst.

F: Right. This can be the reason why many spiritual teachers die young. It is said Paul as well. He said he had the sting of Satan, that he was ill and he attributed that to the sting of Satan. Surely because he had remnants of darkness to which he was connected, chasing the followers of the Messiah.

P: Look, I am 82 years old and this has been the struggle I had because I had revelations that left me very tired. So I had to learn how to rest, go to the terrace and take care of my body, being with positive people. We must get together because toxic people always come to those of us who teach. And one remains with bad taste, despite they come to help. But one needs help with positive people that animates one, one needs to communicate with Nature as in my courtyard. Because this is a jungle of concrete and houses. To cross Los Angeles you must go through hundreds of cities within the city. Los Angeles begins in San Bernardino and ends up in Santa Barbara. It takes 8 hours to cross it. But here in the courtyard I have trees, birds... I have a hammock where I rest and connect myself. That shifts the mental perception of Life, making you have love to live, loving the moment, loving what you´re doing. That keeps me alive. All of my fellow students are dead. All of my childhood fellows died except one: my cousin, who was intervened on an open heart like me. He´s been dead for 5 years. I´m alive, working thanks to the attitude we should have for living. To believe in Life, reject death, since death visits you every day.

F: This is a message I think helps us to distinguish the true Master from the false master that runs the world. If there is something that does not fill us up and disconnects us from the fullness of Life, if we have to search for fulness with techniques, books, with any type of experience or external teaching, communities, groups we are not really manifesting the body of the Collective Body of Original from the New Humanity. And very few are those of us who are giving this message. But I trust that as you say there will be people who will look for it later on, that there will be a greater hunger and this will help us get the message so that it can flourish on all levels. How long have we been talking? More than 1h.

P: I think it´s enough. We can have another program in the future. This month I´m busy but the following month we can have another talk. And another with us as well.

F: Yes, this is your home. So let´s leave it for now. Thank you very much to all listeners. Remember Pedro Ortiz has his own channel. You can find it the section Channels. Subscribe. Lately those of us with lesser followers are being left on the tail by youtube. So please subscribe to our channels and click on I like if you enjoyed this video. And as always, thank you very much. I hope you enjoyed this session Do you want to tell something to the listeners.

P: Very grateful for this session, being with my friend and brother Fernando which I appreciate very much, from whom I have learnt so much. And thanks to you all for listening and allowing me to share experiences. Thank you very much as well. To me is an honor. I also learn much from you. And until the next time let´s keep opening the heart for the manifestation of Infinite Love, Life without fragmentation, Integral Conscience and infinite blissful Serenity. Thanks. Chao